‘If you love, what you do. You will always be motivated.’ Jakub Jaworski – Olympic athletes interviewed 45

Christian: Today I’m joined by Jakub Jaworski. Jakub was an Olympian and represented Poland in short-track speed skating at the Olympic Games 2010 in Vancouver. His biggest achievements next to the Olympic participation, was the 11th places World Championships in 2013, and 6th place at the Junior World Championships in 2006.

Jakub has moved on after his career into strength and conditioning, and is now a fellow S & C coach. His biggest achievements as a strength & conditioning coach includes a bronze medalist at the Olympic Games and a European Champion. Welcome, Jakub.

Jakub, when did you retire actually? You look so young.

Jakub:  Thanks. That’s mostly genetics, but I retired when I was 28 years old. Now, I’m almost 33 years, and actually when I look back at the moment, I don’t know why I retired. I think that at the moment, I felt like I’m already burnt out.

I tried many things and the situation in the world, in our team, and that I didn’t qualify individually for the Olympics in Sochi 2014, made me decide to stop. We also didn’t qualify for the Olympics as a relay team.

So, I put my wages on European Championships that were after qualifiers. I said, I would see how well it went with the Europeans. They went really bad and then I said that it was over. I decided that the beautiful adventure was finished.

Christian: In 2010, were you the only participant from Poland in short track speed skating?

Jakub: Male skater, yes. I was there also with my girlfriend, back then, and also now Patrycja Maliszewska and also with Paula Bzura, so there were three people from Poland in short track speed skating event that went to Vancouver.

His darkest moment 

Christian: In your life as an athlete what was your darkest moment?

Jakub: Actually, now that I am retired, I am looking back to when I was an athlete there were not many dark moments. The darkest moment that is connected with my career was that time after retiring. At the end of my career, I was thinking about what I would do after retiring.

But I couldn’t imagine anything. I didn’t have a plan for myself. I couldn’t live with the thought that I wouldn’t be able to compete at the highest level in a discipline that I really, really loved and I had been doing for almost twenty years.

I didn’t have a plan for myself. I couldn’t live with the thought that I wouldn’t be able to compete at the highest level in a discipline that I really, really loved.

So the darkest moment was actually the time after my career and accepting the fact that it’s all in the past. It was thinking that I would never be able to skate again on a competitive level with the best skaters in the world.

I was thinking that probably, these were the last World Cups, European Championships or World Championships or even Polish Championships that I will be competing in at a really good level. So the darkest moments were the ones when I finished my career.

Christian: How long did that last?

Jakub: It has been now six years and I think the feeling is still there. I don’t think it will ever go away. For me, short track was really, really a big part of my life. I started young when I was eight and I finished when I was twenty years of age. Twenty years of something, whatever it is, it’s a long time.

I remember short-track speed skating and competing and skating    and racing against other guys was the best part of my life. So I think, yet I don’t want to say, that the darkest moment is still right now. The worst aspect of it is having to accept that the fact that it’s gone and it’s gone forever. Even though I try to stay in the discipline by doing strength and conditioning and keeping in touch with the skaters. It still won’t be the same.

The worst aspect of it is having to accept that the fact that it’s gone and it’s gone forever.

So I think yes, six years and still going. I know some other skaters who finished before or after me are in the same situation. But maybe, we are all different so that you cannot say that we’re in the same position, but there are many athletes who deal with the consequences of retiring for a long, long time.

Christian: Yes, I asked that question to Olympic Champion Mark Tuitert, who also competed at the Vancouver 2010 Olympics in long track speed skating and I asked him what is more difficult to post Olympic year or retiring and he also said retiring is really, really difficult.  Yes, so you’re not alone with that, so even an Olympic Champion like him struggled.

So what strategies are you using to get over that?

Jakub: Get busy. Get busy doing your job. Fortunately, I found a passion that I caught when I was still skating, which is strength and conditioning. When I was still a skater, I started going to some courses. I went internationally to meet with the guys that I felt were making sense in this business, to get education and then try to find my way.

Fortunately, I found a passion that I caught when I was still skating, which is strength and conditioning.

Back then, I didn’t think it would have been my job. I felt that I would be doing be skating and doing short track speed skating forever. But yes, being busy, having a job and trying to focus on different aspects like business and the results of your clients is okay.

It helps to take your focus from what you don’t have and what you would like to achieve. But recently, I watched a really good podcast between Daniel Ricciardo, who is an F1 driver for Renault F1 team and Nico Rosberg, a former Formula One Champion. Motorsport is one of the things that I think is a hobby of mine.

Nico Rosberg is retired and Daniel Ricciardo is still driving and they said that there is no business deal that can be made, no amount of money that can be earned, nothing can take the same feelings of being able to win. Winning is okay; it’s also addictive, but you can win even being a coach.

There is no business deal that can be made, no amount of money that can be earned, nothing can take the same feelings of being able to win.

But for me, the biggest amount of emotions was when I was racing and competing. In a good race even if I lost, it was more important than when I won due to poor tactic or it was not an interesting race. So, I think getting into business is quite good. But it’s not on the same level. It’s always sticking the patches on the wounds that cannot be healed without time.

Why he decided to go into strength and conditioning

Christian: Why did you decide to go into strength and conditioning and not become a skating coach?

Jakub: Actually, right after retiring, I was hired in my home club as a short track speed skating coach. I was doing some strength and conditioning for higher-level athletes, like speed skaters and short-track speed skaters. I was also doing baby step training for younger short-track speed skaters. This was based on trying to figure out the best way for them to utilize the techniques to start skating and everything.

Actually, for me, it was a hybrid moment. Fortunately, the Club Manager was also the Director of the School said that I was going to be there. So, I had a place to still be in the discipline, to still think that it’s the same as skating and still learn to be a better strength coach. I think I had enough practice to be short-track speed skating coach, but not enough to be a really good strength coach.

Those were the steps. First, it was my career, then it was the part where I was somewhat a strength coach, but more of a short-track speed skating coach for four years. After that, I just moved on and opened my own place in Warsaw and then be a full-time strength and conditioning coach and personal trainer.

Christian: Were you running your own facility?

Jakub: I was for two years. Now, because of some business-related issues, I had to close the place and now I’m a freelancer. I work at a normal gym, which is focused mainly on personal training, but I also work with the same athletes because it’s not full-time job. They come over, do a consult and then they go again and do their job on the national team camps or back home.

His best moment

Christian: What was your best moment?

Jakub: The best moment was actually the 2010 Olympics. What I found was, that I wasn’t counted on to go to the Olympics, especially because we had a situation where before 2010, we had really good guys that were skating the sprints. They were really good at 500 meters and were regular top 10 in the World Cups.

I wasn’t counted on to go to the Olympics.

This would mean that they would easily go to the Olympics. It was counted on that they will have two places at the Olympics. But unfortunately, during the qualifiers in the World Cups, they both didn’t do that well.

So, we found out that we have only one place, and in short-track is the place is given for the country not for a skater. So, we still had our internal qualifications and then the last part was European Championships try-outs in Dresden before going to the Olympics. I was told that I need to beat the other guy by at least 10 places on each distance.

So, I decided to try it out. I thought it’s already hard that I’m here and it’s very successful. I made up my mind that I wanted to go to the Olympics and nothing else mattered. So actually, I was better than the other guy on each distance by 10 places, even in the overall, and I was given the card to go to the Olympics.

I made up my mind that I wanted to go to the Olympics and nothing else mattered.

But the problem which gave me even more boost and motivation was the fact that, when I came to the Polish Olympic Committee, I wasn’t even listed in a place where you give names of potential goers to the Olympics. I wasn’t even on there and there were six other male and female skaters.

I had to wait to get the accreditation on the place in Vancouver. There were many, many issues with me, not being in the list of persons that were supposed to go to the Olympics. But that was actually the best moment, because nobody was counting on me, but I counted on myself and I delivered when it really mattered.

Nobody was counting on me, but I counted on myself and I delivered when it really mattered.

Christian: What did you learn from that moment and how has it influenced your life?

Jakub: I think I finally approved to myself that I’m a fighter. Even though I’m not as physically gifted as other skaters and my technique is maybe not the best, but my biggest asset is that I am hard-working and I do not give up. I am relentlessness.

I think this proved it and gave me more confidence in believing that hard work, even if all the odds are against you, is the way to go. I always thought that I just wanted to have a medal at Olympics. I didn’t care anything about else. I just want a medal. Now, I see that if I didn’t believe I would get the medal, I wouldn’t go to the Olympics.

So, always aim highest. If you fall a little bit lower, you’re still going to be okay. I aim higher than I could really deliver, but it was enough for me to get to the Olympics. So yes, I think never giving up and hard work is what the best and worst moment gave me.

His advice to a younger Jakub Jaworski

Christian: So if you could travel back in time 10, 15, 20 years what advice would you give to a younger Jakub?

Jakub: First of all, no matter what you do, you’ll always regret that you finish skating, no matter what you do. Because now I see that it’s okay that I gave everything I had. If I didn’t give everything I had, when I was younger, I would probably think that my 20-years were so short and I didn’t give all that I had. I would feel that I should have given more.

No matter what you do, you’ll always regret that you finish skating.

But I know I gave everything, so I would say focus on what you do as much as you can, but also take some rest. Now if I see, I would plan some moments like three to six months to get complete time off from short-track speed skating.

I think this would give me a better perspective from the outside, like a zoom out, to see what my problems are. This would give me more willpower to focus on improving them. So, I think I should have taken a rest two or three times in my career. Maybe thanks to those breaks, I would have been skating for some longer time.

Christian: So, that means you have been too much detached to the sport to see what’s going on?

Jakub:  Yes, I think there was some attachment for sure. I was really afraid, if I take three or six months break, that every moment that I lose in the sport would derail my career or I end up  behind the other guys.

I thought, that I would lose so much I would not be able to improve. But from a psychological and a sanity standpoint, I think it would have been good to take some time off during my career. I think those three or six months would have helped me skate, not until my 28th year, but probably 30 or thirty-two.

His success habits

Christian: What are the habits that make you a successful person and athlete?

Jakub:  Hard work. Hard work and work ethic were the main things, that I did well when I was a skater. So I would outwork everyone. I wasn’t the fastest guy, but I was the guy that was doing the most work on and off the ice, especially from my team.

Hard work and work ethic, I would outwork everyone.

I actually could compare myself only to the other guys that were in my team. So yes, I know that at least when I came back home from the day of training, I knew that I did everything that was needed.

The role of motivation in competitive sports

Christian: Is that something you give unto your athletes as well?

Jakub:  I believe that my role is not to motivate. If you don’t have internal motivation, then maybe it’s not something for you. The real motivation that can help you stay for such a long time in one place is only the love for the sport or for what you do.

Motivation can come and go. For example, you only can have so much willpower and motivation until everything happens for you, which is bad. But if you love the sport, if you love competing, if you love everything that goes around it, then it’s not a matter of motivation.

If you don’t have internal motivation, then maybe it’s not something for you. Motivation can come and go. But if you love the sport, if you love competing, if you love everything that goes around it, then it’s not a matter of motivation.

You still love it when it’s bad and you love it, even more, when it’s really good. But motivation goes down when it’s bad. For example, it may be going down so much, that you’re going to finish skating or you’re going to do something else or not be inside of it.

So, I think it’s hard to tell someone that this sport is really interesting and competing is the best thing you can do, because it’s going to be different between people. For example, there are people who like pool; playing pool with snooker and everything, which is quite different when compared to short-track.

If you love what you do, you have enough motivation and love for the sport, so you’re going to stick to it. The role of me as a strength & conditioning coach or as a speed skating coach isn’t exactly to motivate.  I think an already motivated person is the person you should be working with.

Christian: I can see that.

What to do, if motivation is low

Christian: What did you do as an athlete when motivation was low for yourself?

Jakub: There was only one moment and it was at the end of my career. I was fed up. I saw that at the end of my career that I was losing motivation, because I knew that some things were already unattainable for me. I wouldn’t be a World Medalist. I wouldn’t be going somewhere else. I wouldn’t be doing this.

I saw that at the end of my career that I was losing motivation, because I knew that some things were already unattainable for me.

I wouldn’t be skating. I would never skate certain times, that I always wanted to skate, and this is where everything disappeared. I don’t think that love for the sport went away because I still loved it, but I found myself in a way that I couldn’t go and I couldn’t improve anymore Motivation depends on the love. I had a lot of motivation, because I had a lot of love for the sport.

Christian: I’m an avid tennis fan, and I remember I saw an interview long ago, where Steffi Graf, the German tennis player retired, and in that interview a few weeks after her retirement, she said it was the first time she woke up and she thought that she doesn’t want to play tennis anymore.

She waited one day and the next day again, she woke up and she felt like not playing tennis. Then she decided that that was it. So that actually means, for her entire career, she must have never had the feeling not being motivated or not wanting to play tennis. So, that’s pretty interesting.

Jakub: I feel her, I feel everything that she said. I also heard something, that when you have three days in a row and you’re sure you don’t want to do what you’re doing at that moment, this is the moment that you can let go.

You wait to decide if you want to finish your career. So, actually, when you have bad days you don’t decide. You wait until it’s a good day try to decide then if you’re finishing the sport.

I’m sure that no one will finish their careers on a good day and if they do, it’s really because of some factors that cannot be changed. So yes, maybe this is also going back to the question you asked, what I would tell my younger self. It would be to wait with the decision for the first day when you’re skating good.

His morning routine

Christian: Do you have a morning routine?

Jakub: Routine is something that would be done every day, but I do it so often, not every day, but really often. After waking up, I drink lime juice with water and some salt, and after that, I either walk my dog, which is a form of meditation or I meditate. This is my routine and after that, I’m doing all my other stuff.

I drink lime juice with water and some salt, after that, I either walk my dog, which is a form of meditation or I meditate.

Christian: How long does the meditation take?

Jakub Jaworski:  Oh it depends. The walk with the dog is ten minutes , but sometimes when I use the app for the meditation, it’s between five to ten minutes.

Christian:  Did you do that as an athlete as well?

Jakub: In 2006, when I was a junior athletes, and had my best results, I was working with a psychologist for a while and she showed me relaxation and meditation stuff and also visualization things. It helped me greatly and it lasted for the whole career after I did it. So yes, I did it when I was an athlete.

How to prepare for important moments

Christian: How do you prepare for important moments?

Jakub:  When I think about the years, when I was a speed skater, the bigger the event I had to participate in, the more relaxed I was. So, for example, at the Olympics, and I had only one race and I was so relaxed, when I was at the Olympics.

It was the most relaxed, most fun race I ever had. Sometimes, I compared it to the races I had on Polish championships or in Polish Cup, even lower in the level of races. I was really stressed. I think that was mainly due to the fear of losing and will of winning. I was more afraid of losing when I was at the lower level competitions.

I was more afraid of losing when I was at the lower level competitions.

I had nothing to lose when I was at the Olympics. Maybe the racers weren’t the best, but at least, I had the biggest fun with the biggest events. So, I think it’s somewhere in me that the bigger the event, I am less stressed.

But now, when I’m doing, for example, some courses, which was last week my first course, for almost 30 people, which was connected to the strength and conditioning world, I was nervous. The thing I do, I learned from Amy Cuddy’s TED talk and her book, She’s a psychologist, and in her research she checked your hormonal changes and on the base of your posture.

Her way of removing stress before important meetings or talks is to get into a so-called power pose. This was either by putting your hands on your thighs or on your hips or spreading your arms to the side. It was shown that it increases testosterone and improves your visual visuality.

So, it helps me a lot, especially when I’m doing something I’m not accustomed to, like having 30 people listen to you and what you did not for 20 years, but maybe only 5 years. It helped a lot. I do it now very often before everything that I know might be stressed.

Christian: Yes, I know. It’s one of the most successful TED talks ever her. It’s an interesting one and I think her book is called Presence.

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Jakub: Okay in Polish, it’s stand up. In Polish, it’s stand up and it’s really a good book. The TED talk is terrific.

Christian: Yes, I’ve seen it for myself. It’s really cool.

How to overcome setbacks

Christian: How do you overcome setbacks?

Jakub: I think of them as something normal on my way of getting to the place I want to be. There will be always setbacks. I think, that I can learn more from failures or setbacks then I can learn from winning. Winning, is only being first place and actually, it only tells you what you did good or it tells you what the other people did worse than you.

I think of them as something normal on my way of getting to the place I want to be. I can learn more from failures or setbacks then I can learn from winning.

Winning gives you much less information than a setback or a failure. That’s how I deal with failures, I think of them as the best signs of development. They show you the most important information of where you are and where you want to go. This is the one way I deal with setbacks. I don’t think of them as setbacks. I think of them as a road sign of how am I doing.

Setback or failures are the best signs of development. They show you where you are and where you want to go.

Christian: There’s also that famous quote from John Wooden basketball coach. He said what you just said ‘You either succeed or you learn.’

Jakub: Yes, exactly. This is also a rule, that I tried to tell my athletes all the time and I think it helps a lot. It helps everyone that is trying to become good at what he does.

Christian: Just to dig deeper into that. For sure, there must be some form of disappointment, and the emotional feeling of disappointments. So, how long does it take for you to turn that feeling around into something positive?

Jakub: Something I found over the years is, that you shouldn’t expect too much from other people. You can only expect something from yourself. This helped me a lot. I was a guy that expected a lot from others, like from other athletes, from other people.

You shouldn’t expect too much from other people. You can only expect something from yourself.

I thought, that it should be natural for the other person to think or act the way, as I think. It should be normal, but in the end they din’t do it, and this gave me a lot of disappointments. So, it’s again a technique that is similar to the technique with setbacks.

You don’t act after it happens; you should act before it happens. If you change your point of view about expecting, because if you expect something from others, then you would have to deal with the failed expectations. So, I think it’s better to think of the problem before and anticipate the way of the problem, of the occurrence of the problem.

You should now think that it is your problem. I shouldn’t just expect of the others. I should, if something happens that I don’t think the person could do, then it happens. I’m not having any expectations. It’s the same situation, the same technique as the roadblocks. You don’t think of the roadblocks but as a sign.

So yes, there are many setbacks, but if you take knowledge of why they happened and if it’s purely the external setback or is it because of my way of thinking setback, then you can work on it. And usually, it last for, I don’t know, a week or two or sometimes just one day. It depends on the way how we perceive it, or for how I perceive it.

His role model

Christian: Who’s your role model and why?

Jakub: When I was a short track skater, the first competition that I watched was 2002 Olympics in Salt Lake City. There I found my long-time idol Marc Gagnon who I really admired his way of fighting and surpassing the opponents.

He is a Canadian short track speed skater and triple Olympic Champion. He was actually supposed to win everything from 1500 to 2000 meters, two or three distances at the Olympics, but he couldn’t manage to win, but then he came to the 500 meters final, this was already a surprise, and then in the race he got a gold medal.

The second place was Jonathan Guilmette, the second Canadian, who has been a better sprinter than Marc Gagnon. Marc Gagnon, for a long time was my idol, because of the way he showed that you can still be successful if you don’t fix your mind on the disciplines you’re skating.

In short-track, it’s not so different. You still need to be a good skater, but a sprinter would always be better on the 500 meters than someone who has mixed type and can skate 1,500. He showed me that you can fight, even though you’re not a sprinter, and you can fight in the five hundred meters. So, this is the role model from back when I was skating.

But now, considering that I’m still in strength and conditioning, there is one guy, who I look up to a lot. It’s Wolfgang Unsöld from Stuttgart in Germany. He’s also a strength coach and I admire his ability of analytical thinking.

All the problems he faces in his work, and all the aspects of the work he does, he can cut into small pieces and divide them and sort them, to determine the most important parts, that are necessary to achieve your goal. Professionally, he’s the guy that I look up to.

Christian: Yes, I’ve met him years ago at a conference. He knows his stuff.

Jakub: Yes, very much.

The best advice he has received

Christian: What’s the best advice you received and who gave it to you?

Jakub: I think the best advice was, when I still didn’t know who I want to be after retiring.  I was doing some consults with Yves Nadeau. He was the most medaled coach in history in short-track speed skating. He had almost 200 medals in different World Championships or Olympics with his skaters in Canada.

I did some consults with him talking about different stuff from energy systems training, to speed skating technique, to yearly planning, to acquire proper technique, to the long-term development of younger athletes. But there were small gems of his way of thinking that really helped me.

What I didn’t know and what helped me a lot was in my work and in my skating as well, was that you can win a race and still feel that was really bad. Also, you can win a bad race and you can feel bad, which means that even if you’re on the first on the podium, the way you acquired the win and the way you got there, is really really bad.

For example, if you make all the mistakes you did, maybe someone fell down, maybe someone got disqualified and everything. So, being on a podium doesn’t mean anything, if it was done just by covering your mistakes. But, for example, if you were at fourth, but you did something you never did, you overpass someone on the way you never did, so you improved somehow, but you weren’t on the first place on the podium, can be a great terrific race.

Being on a podium doesn’t mean anything, if it was done just by covering your mistakes.

This is great news for speed skaters or any athlete, that can focus on quality of work and focus on improving their weak spots. But it’s also something important in later life. Like now, I might not have the results of recognition in social media or whatever or recognition through different associations, doesn’t mean that I’m a bad coach.

I can be unrecognizable. I can be doing best job I can do and I’m improving. It’s a way, it’s a matter of time until you get to the place and the journey is more important than getting on the first place spot.

Christian: If I would challenge you and ask ‘Becoming Olympic champion with the suboptimal race or becoming fourth with the perfect race, what would you pick?’

Jakub: That’s a tough question. `

Christian: I know.

Jakub: Yes, that’s a tough question. If I would choose, for sure, first place. That doesn’t matter, but the question is, how am I supposed to get to the final race? Not giving any negative thoughts to Steven Bradbury. You know the guy? He’s the gold medalist from Australia.

Christian: I’ve sent him interview requests. He hasn’t responded yet. I’d love to talk to him.

Jakub: So he is an Olympic gold medalist, and I would love to be an Olympic gold medalist. I’m not saying that I wouldn’t like to be in his position. He had really bad luck in his career, but he also had a lot of luck, during this one day. But he did it, he crossed the line first.

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I wouldn’t be more happy by working my ass off for the fourth place and knowing that, there’s no difference between the first place and fourth place, just that the daily condition, where just the form of the day, may be the difference. But I know that, because of my hard work I was good enough to be fourth and I worked my ass off it to get there.

So, yes, it would be great to get the gold medal, but from long-term position, how long would it take for me to really be good enough skater to get there with my own abilities? Acquiring those abilities would be on improving what I don’t have.

How long would it take for me to really be good enough skater to get there with my own abilities?

So, if I would have only one technique and I would only overpass someone from the outside for my whole career, all the other skaters would know it and it would block me, so I wouldn’t be able to finish first. But if I try different stuff and along the way, I make mistakes and I can get better on those mistakes, maybe then I will have enough abilities during the race to go and get first, second or third-place podium.

A typical training day in the life of a short track speed skater

Christian: How does a typical training day look like or how did it look when you were a professional active athlete?

Jakub: After waking up, there was a breakfast, and most of the days there were two trainings a day. It either was ice in the morning, which lasted for two to two and a half hours with the warm-ups, the cool downs, stretching and everything. But on the ice, we had between one and a half to two hours.

After that we had some time off, which was recovery, or school, food, napping, of course, and then there was a second training which could consist of anything between technical belt work or strength training or another ice session. Most of my career it was two trainings a day. Wednesday afternoon was off and Saturday afternoon and Sunday was off. Most of the time was like that.

Christian: What time did you get up?

Jakub: It was different when I was younger and we had the ice session at seven, so I had to be up at 4:30 or 5:00 a.m. When you are in a national team, you get more luxurious ice times, so the we started at 9 a.m., we had to be on the warm-up by 8:00 am, and I would have to get up at 6:00 am. Sometimes later, but I think that starting the training later at nine was not optimal because then you have to do the second training really later during the day and it’s less time to get recovered before going to bed.

His interview nomination

Christian: Do you want to nominate someone to be interviewed?

Jakub: Yes, of course. I wouldn’t lose a chance of nominating someone. I think one of my athletes, she’s still skating, it would be a great story for you to hear. She is a speed skater, that I had the opportunity to train and I’m still training her as a strength coach.

Her name is Natalia Czerwonka. She is a double Olympic medalist. She’s a World Champion medalist in speed skating team pursuit. But her story isn’t interesting, because she’s successful in what she does, but because of the challenges that were put upon her.

She is a skater that six years ago, during bike training has hit tractor standing on the side of the road. She had broken ribs, broken arms, broken spine, and she overcame this terrible injury and she came back stronger than she was before. I think she’s a great success story.

She’s a great person to pick her mind about the way she thinks about the other stuff and now she’s also starting to work with younger children by starting her own Academy in Poland. So, not only is she a great athlete with great way of thinking, but also she spreads it to the younger athletes that maybe will be good enough to stand on the podium for Poland.

Christian: That’s really cool. So, she’s giving back. That’s nice.

Jakub: Yes.

Where can you find Jakub Jaworski

Christian: Where can people find you?

Jakub: Mostly social media would be the best. I’m on Instagram and on Facebook. My fan page of my strength and conditioning business is Falcon Strength Training Institute.

Jakub’s social profiles

Instagram

Facebook profile

Facebook page

Christian: Thanks for your time. That was great.

Jakub: Thank you very much. It was a pleasure. Great for- great spent time. Thank you very much for the invitation.

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